{"id":5821,"date":"2017-11-19T09:33:02","date_gmt":"2017-11-19T08:33:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/balkon.art\/home\/?p=5821"},"modified":"2025-05-07T17:38:43","modified_gmt":"2025-05-07T15:38:43","slug":"a-zene-tere-antoine-beugerrel-nicolaus-gerszewski-beszelget","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/balkon.art\/home\/a-zene-tere-antoine-beugerrel-nicolaus-gerszewski-beszelget\/","title":{"rendered":"A zene tere"},"content":{"rendered":"[vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; top_padding=&#8221;20&#8243; bottom_padding=&#8221;0&#8243; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-2-0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<h3>Besz\u00e9lget\u00e9s Antoine Beugerrel<\/h3>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; top_padding=&#8221;20&#8243; bottom_padding=&#8221;0&#8243; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text css=&#8221;&#8221; text_direction=&#8221;default&#8221;]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int\">Nicolaus Gerszewski:<\/span> Kedves Antoine! Mit tudsz kezdeni a \u201ekonceptu\u00e1lis\u201d fogalm\u00e1val, illetve kapcsolatba tudod-e hozni valamik\u00e9ppen a zen\u00e9ddel?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int\">Antoine Beuger:<\/span> Nem igaz\u00e1n. Az \u00e9n elk\u00e9pzel\u00e9sem szerint a zen\u00e9ben nem a fogalmis\u00e1g \/ konceptualit\u00e1s szf\u00e9r\u00e1j\u00e1ban megy v\u00e9gbe az alkot\u00f3tev\u00e9kenys\u00e9g (mint a filoz\u00f3fi\u00e1ban), hanem az \u00e9rz\u00e9s \u00e9s \u00e9lm\u00e9ny ter\u00fclet\u00e9n. A k\u00e9rd\u00e9s (a zen\u00e9ben) az: mi t\u00f6rt\u00e9nik itt (benn\u00fcnk, vel\u00fcnk, k\u00f6z\u00f6tt\u00fcnk), \u00e9s nem pedig az: fogalmilag mir\u0151l besz\u00e9l\u00fcnk itt.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int\">NG:<\/span> A te zen\u00e9d az \u00e9n \u00e9rtelmez\u00e9sem szerint nagyon is konceptu\u00e1lis; hiszen mindig egy elj\u00e1r\u00e1si modellre \u00e9p\u00fcl, s ennek k\u00f6vetkezetes alkalmaz\u00e1sa hozza l\u00e9tre a mindenkori darabot; an\u00e9lk\u00fcl hogy tov\u00e1bbi kompoz\u00edci\u00f3s beavatkoz\u00e1sra sz\u00fcks\u00e9g volna (a darab mint idea be van fejezve, miel\u0151tt m\u00e9g az els\u0151 hangjegy lejegyz\u00e9sre ker\u00fclne). Az el\u0151ad\u00e1s \u00e9rz\u00e9ki esem\u00e9nye pedig k\u00fcl\u00f6n folyamat; a koncepci\u00f3 az a \u201eg\u00e9p\u201d, amelyik l\u00e9trehozza az esem\u00e9nyt, nem az esem\u00e9ny maga.<br \/>\nA <span class=\"regular\">4\u201933\u201d<\/span>-at ism\u00e9telten munk\u00e1ss\u00e1god kiindul\u00f3pontj\u00e1nak nevezted. Ennek az esem\u00e9nynek pedig kett\u0151s hat\u00e1sa van: \u00e9rz\u00e9ki s\u00edkon figyelmet produk\u00e1l a k\u00f6rnyezeti hangok (eszt\u00e9tikai) min\u0151s\u00e9ge ir\u00e1nt, m\u00edg az eszm\u00e9k s\u00edkj\u00e1n \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos kih\u00edv\u00e1st jelent a zenefogalomnak. A k\u00e9rd\u00e9s, hogy mi a zene, az\u00f3ta m\u00e1r csak tautologikusan v\u00e1laszolhat\u00f3 meg: zene az, amit valaki \u201ezen\u00e9nek\u201d nevez; azaz nincs t\u00f6bb\u00e9 konszenzus; az egyes zeneszerz\u0151 (zen\u00e9sz) hallgat\u00f3 maga d\u00f6nti el, hogy mi min\u0151s\u00fclhet \u201ezen\u00e9\u201d-nek.<br \/>\n\u00c1m mindenf\u00e9le zenefogalmon t\u00fal m\u00e9gis l\u00e9tezik valamif\u00e9le \u201ezenei intu\u00edci\u00f3\u201d; a zenei hangot teh\u00e1t intuit\u00edve megk\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6ztetj\u00fck a zen\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fclit\u0151l. Az \u201e\u00daj Zene\u201d e tekintetben speci\u00e1lis eset, mert olykor megnehez\u00edti, illetve tematiz\u00e1lja ezt a k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9gt\u00e9telt.<br \/>\nEngem az \u00e9rdekel, hogy te hogyan \u00edrn\u00e1d le saj\u00e1t alkot\u00f3i ter\u00fcletedet a zenei \u00e9s a zen\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcli teret szem el\u0151tt tartva.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int\">AB: <\/span><span class=\"small\">John Cage<\/span> t\u00f6bb mint n\u00e9gy \u00e9vig foglalkozott a k\u00e9rd\u00e9ssel, hogy lehets\u00e9ges-e olyan zenem\u0171vet alkotni, amely csak csendb\u0151l \u00e1ll, \u00e9s hogyan. E m\u0171nek a <span class=\"no-hyp\"><em>Silent Prayer<\/em><\/span> munkac\u00edmet adta. A c\u00edm valamik\u00e9ppen azt a sejt\u00e9st fejezi ki, hogy az im\u00e1ba mer\u00fcl\u00e9s, az elcsendes\u00fcl\u00e9s tapasztalata mint a (bels\u0151) hallgat\u00e1sba, a tiszta befogad\u00e1sba viv\u0151 l\u00e9p\u00e9s ennek a John Cage sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra sok\u00e1ig megoldhatatlan k\u00e9rd\u00e9snek a megold\u00e1s\u00e1hoz is utat mutathatna.<br \/>\nAhogyan a csendes ima is boldogul szavak, imasz\u00f6vegek, k\u00e9szen kapott sz\u00e1nd\u00e9kok n\u00e9lk\u00fcl, s\u0151t abb\u00f3l \u00e9l, hogy mindezekr\u0151l lemond, ugyan\u00fagy l\u00e9tezhetne \u201ecs\u00f6ndes zene\u201d is, amely nemcsak hogy boldogul an\u00e9lk\u00fcl, hogy hangokat, hangsorokat vagy egy bizonyos hangsz\u00f6vet sz\u00e1nd\u00e9k\u00e1t el\u0151id\u00e9zn\u00e9, hanem ebb\u0151l a lemond\u00e1sb\u00f3l mer\u00edti elevens\u00e9g\u00e9t, s\u0151t zeneis\u00e9g\u00e9t.<br \/>\nCage val\u00f3sz\u00edn\u0171leg nem ismerte, de m\u00e1r a spanyol misztikus \u00e9s k\u00f6lt\u0151, <span class=\"small\">San Juan de la Cruz<\/span> (1542\u20131591) \u201emusica callad\u00e1\u201d-r\u00f3l, \u201eeg\u00e9szen n\u00e9ma \u00e9s hangtalan zen\u00e9r\u0151l\u201d besz\u00e9lt, \u00e9s ezen \u201ehiggadt \u00e9s nyugodt \u00e9rz\u00e9kel\u00e9st\u201d \u00e9rtett, \u201e\u2026hangok zaja n\u00e9lk\u00fcl; \u00e9s \u00edgy lehet \u00e9lvezni benne a zene sz\u00e9ps\u00e9g\u00e9t \u00e9s a csend nyugalm\u00e1t.\u201d<br \/>\nA csendes im\u00e1nak is sz\u00fcks\u00e9ge van kezdetre (im\u00e1ds\u00e1gba bocs\u00e1tkozni) \u00e9s v\u00e9gre (befejezni az im\u00e1dkoz\u00e1s bels\u0151 tart\u00e1s\u00e1t). A kett\u0151 k\u00f6z\u00f6tt minden nyitott: valami felbukkan, \u00e9s az im\u00e1dkoz\u00f3 igenl\u0151en elfogadja.<br \/>\nPontosan ez vezette el Cage-et a <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em> koncepci\u00f3j\u00e1ig: minden nyitott, megjelenik \u00e9s elt\u0171nik, a hallgat\u00f3 igenl\u0151en be- \u00e9s elfogadja, csak egy valami biztos: kezdete \u00e9s v\u00e9ge, illetve tartama van. Els\u0151, David Tutor \u00e1ltal el\u0151adott bemutat\u00f3ja 1952-ben <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em>-ig tartott. A <em>Silent Prayer<\/em> helyett ez az id\u0151tartam lett a darab c\u00edme: <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em>.<br \/>\nHab\u00e1r eleinte persze provok\u00e1ci\u00f3nak \u00e9rezt\u00e9k, sz\u00e1nd\u00e9ka szerint ez a darab soha nem a zenefogalom megk\u00e9rd\u0151jelez\u00e9se akart lenni, hanem az elm\u00e9ly\u00edt\u00e9se; ugyan\u00fagy, ahogyan a \u201ecsendes ima\u201d koncepci\u00f3ja sem k\u00e9rd\u0151jelezi meg a \u201emondott ima\u201d koncepci\u00f3j\u00e1t, hanem \u00faj m\u00e9lys\u00e9get ad neki: minden im\u00e1ds\u00e1g mint \u201eimamond\u00e1s\u201d a csendes im\u00e1n mint az \u201eistenivel\u201d szembeni bels\u0151 megny\u00edl\u00e1son alapszik.<br \/>\nA <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em> mint zenem\u0171 nem egyszer\u0171en felsz\u00f3l\u00edt\u00e1s annak \u00e9rz\u00e9kel\u00e9s\u00e9re, hogy a k\u00f6rnyezet hangjai is milyen sz\u00e9pek lehetnek; sokkal ink\u00e1bb arra sz\u00f3l\u00edt fel, hogy azt, ami egy bizonyos id\u0151tartam alatt a f\u00fclnek (a legt\u00e1gabb \u00e9rtelemben v\u00e9ve) k\u00edn\u00e1lkozik, olyan zenem\u0171k\u00e9nt \u00e9lj\u00fck \u00e1t, amelyben semmi nem t\u00f6rt\u00e9nik sz\u00e1nd\u00e9kosan, csak az, hogy kezdete \u00e9s v\u00e9ge van. \u00c9s itt sem az a l\u00e9nyeg, hogy egy bizonyos pontot megjel\u00f6lj\u00fcnk (\u201emost kezd\u0151dik\u201d), hanem valamik\u00e9ppen \u00e9rz\u00e9keltess\u00fck, hogy \u201eelkezd\u0151d\u00f6tt\u201d. Igaz\u00e1ban az egyszer\u0171 bels\u0151 elcs\u00f6ndesed\u00e9s is el\u00e9g.<br \/>\nA <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em> igazi esem\u00e9nye sz\u00e1momra (\u00fajra \u00e9s \u00fajra) \u00e1t\u00e9lni, hogy mennyire megrend\u00edt\u0151 lehet e darab el\u0151ad\u00e1sa, ha val\u00f3ban figyel\u00fcnk r\u00e1; hogyan lep meg \u00fajra meg \u00fajra a hangz\u00e1svil\u00e1ga, j\u00f3llehet ez az a vil\u00e1g, amelyben \u00e9lni v\u00e9l\u00fcnk; az el\u0151ad\u00f3k \u00e9s a hallgat\u00f3k hallgat\u00e1sa \u00e9s semmit hozz\u00e1 nem tev\u00e9se hogyan hozza l\u00e9tre ezt az oly k\u00fcl\u00f6nleges zen\u00e9t; a cs\u00f6nd hogyan sz\u00f6vi \u00e1t \u00e9s teszi m\u00e1r-m\u00e1r val\u00f3szer\u0171tlenn\u00e9 a hangokat; hogyan er\u0151s\u00f6dik folyamatosan az \u00e9rz\u00e9s, hogy t\u00f6rt\u00e9nik valami, ami tal\u00e1n elveszett, egy \u00e9rz\u00e9s, amely eln\u00e9m\u00edtja az embert.<br \/>\nSz\u00e1momra nincs vissza\u00fat e m\u00f6g\u00e9 az esem\u00e9ny m\u00f6g\u00e9: miut\u00e1n egyszer \u00e1t\u00e9ltem \u00e9s megismertem, a zene olyan m\u00e9lydimenzi\u00f3j\u00e1ba nyit kaput, amely minden m\u00faltbeli zen\u00e9t is m\u00e1s f\u00e9nyben l\u00e1ttat. A <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em> sz\u00e1momra \u00edgy a felfedez\u00e9s v\u00e9gtelen t\u00e1g terep\u00e9nek megnyit\u00e1sa: mik ennek az esem\u00e9nynek a k\u00f6vetkezm\u00e9nyei? Cage maga minden <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em> ut\u00e1ni zen\u00e9j\u00e9t e k\u00f6vetkezm\u00e9nyek kutat\u00e1s\u00e1nak tekintette. \u00c9n is pontosan \u00edgy l\u00e1tom a zen\u00e9met.<br \/>\nMint l\u00e1tod, messze vagyok att\u00f3l, hogy a <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em>-b\u00f3l tautologikus vagy \u00f6nreferenci\u00e1lis zenefogalmat vezessek le. Nem hiszek olyan egyetemes intu\u00edci\u00f3ban sem, amely a zenei hangokat meg tudn\u00e1 k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6ztetni a zen\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcliekt\u0151l. Ahelyett, hogy \u201eez a hang zenei vagy zen\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcli\u201d, a <em>4\u201933\u201d<\/em> ut\u00e1n olyan k\u00e9rd\u00e9seket kell feltenn\u00fcnk, mint: \u201emikor van zenei helyzettel dolgunk\u201d, illetve \u201emit tesz\u00fcnk, amikor zen\u00e9t csin\u00e1lunk\u201d, vagy: \u201emilyen gyakorlat, az egym\u00e1ssal \u00e9s a dolgokkal val\u00f3 \u00e9rintkez\u00e9s milyen m\u00f3dja sugallja sz\u00e1munkra ezt vagy azt a darabot.\u201d<br \/>\nEzek azok a k\u00e9rd\u00e9sek is, amelyek m\u00e1s kult\u00far\u00e1k zen\u00e9j\u00e9nek m\u00e9lyebb meg\u00e9rt\u00e9s\u00e9ig vihetnek: \u201eezeknek az embereknek mi egy zenei helyzet\u201d, \u201ehogyan \u00e9rintkeznek egym\u00e1ssal ezek az emberek, amikor zen\u00e9lnek\u201d? \u00cdgy n\u00e9zve az \u00fan. \u00daj Zene sem k\u00fcl\u00f6nleges eset, hanem egy a sok lehet\u0151s\u00e9g k\u00f6z\u00fcl.[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; 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tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][divider line_type=&#8221;No Line&#8221; custom_height=&#8221;40&#8243;][vc_column_text css=&#8221;&#8221; text_direction=&#8221;default&#8221;]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int\">NG:<\/span> Sz\u00e1momra az\u00e9rt fontos a zenei \u00e9s zen\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcli t\u00e9r k\u00f6z\u00f6tti k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9gt\u00e9tel, mert engem a hat\u00e1r \u00e9rdekel: az a pillanat, amikor a hang (illetve hallgat\u00f3) \u00e1tl\u00e9p a m\u00e1sik oldalra.<br \/>\nA tautologikus zenefogalom term\u00e9szetesen sz\u00fcks\u00e9gmegold\u00e1s, ugyan\u00fagy, mint az 1960-as \u00e9vek tautologikus m\u0171v\u00e9szetfogalma; a m\u0171v\u00e9szet k\u00f6vetkezetes \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3sod\u00e1sa t\u00f6bb\u00e9 egyszer\u0171en nem tesz lehet\u0151v\u00e9 behat\u00e1rol\u00e1st. M\u00e9gsem m\u0171v\u00e9szet minden, amit \u201em\u0171v\u00e9szetnek\u201d neveznek, a megk\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6ztet\u00e9s azonban m\u00e1r csak intuit\u00edvan lehets\u00e9ges. Tal\u00e1n hasonl\u00f3 a helyzet, mint az im\u00e1val; a k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9g teh\u00e1t abban rejlik, hogy val\u00f3di kapcsolatot hozunk-e l\u00e9tre az \u201eistenivel\u201d, vagy sem.<br \/>\nA k\u00e9rd\u00e9sem arra ir\u00e1nyult, hogy mennyire j\u00e1tszik szerepet n\u00e1lad a zenei szemantika, t\u00e1gabb \u00e9rtelemben pedig a hangok (\u00e9s hangkapcsolatok) (zenei \u00e9s zen\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcli) jelszer\u0171s\u00e9ge.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int\">AB:<\/span> Azt hiszem, sz\u00e1momra ma m\u00e1r nem lehets\u00e9ges vagy nem fontos \u201ezene\u201d \u00e9s \u201enem zene\u201d, vagy \u201ezenei\u201d \u00e9s \u201ezen\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcli\u201d terek k\u00f6z\u00f6tt k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9get tenni.<br \/>\nE tekintetben hasznosnak tal\u00e1lom <span class=\"small\">Christopher Small<\/span> javaslat\u00e1t, aki <em>Musicking: The meanings of performance and listening<\/em> c\u00edm\u0171 k\u00f6nyv\u00e9ben a \u201cmusic\u201d sz\u00f3b\u00f3l l\u00e9trehozza a \u201cmusicking\u201d ig\u00e9t. Az alapvet\u0151 k\u00e9rd\u00e9s ekkor m\u00e1r nem az: \u201eHogyan lehet egy bizonyos hangt\u00f6rt\u00e9n\u00e9st zenek\u00e9nt azonos\u00edtani\u201d, hanem: \u201eMit t\u00f6rt\u00e9nik tulajdonk\u00e9ppen, amikor emberek a legt\u00e1gabb \u00e9rtelemben v\u00e9ve zen\u00e9lnek, teh\u00e1t j\u00e1tszanak, hallgatnak, t\u00e1ncolnak, \u00fcnnepelnek, kompon\u00e1lnak stb., \u00e9s mit jelent sz\u00e1mukra ez a tev\u00e9kenys\u00e9g?\u201d Ez mindig csak egy konkr\u00e9t zenei gyakorlatra vonatkoztatva v\u00e1laszolhat\u00f3 meg.<br \/>\nEgy afrikai t\u00f6rzs zenei tev\u00e9kenys\u00e9g\u00e9nek teljesen m\u00e1s jelent\u0151s\u00e9ge van az emberek sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra, mint p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul a noise-nak az ezt m\u0171vel\u0151k (csin\u00e1l\u00f3k, hallgat\u00f3k vagy szervez\u0151k) sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra. Az egyh\u00e1zi zene, a sl\u00e1gerfesztiv\u00e1l, a blues-kocsma, az \u00daj Zene \u201evil\u00e1ga\u201d, a koncerth\u00e1zak polg\u00e1ri gyakorlata mind-mind a zene gyakorl\u00e1s\u00e1nak k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 m\u00f3djai. A Wandelweiser bizony\u00e1ra maga is egy ilyen gyakorlat, amelyben eg\u00e9sz m\u00e1shogyan folynak a dolgok, mint p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul az \u00daj Zene vil\u00e1g\u00e1ban.<br \/>\nEzek a gyakorlatok (t\u00f6bbnyire) am\u00fagy sem statikusak, hanem mozg\u00e1sban vannak: a tev\u00e9kenys\u00e9g igazolja a mindenkori gyakorlatot, de ugyan\u00fagy meg is k\u00e9rd\u0151jelezheti, vagy \u00fajat hozhat l\u00e9tre, eg\u00e9szen a kett\u00e9v\u00e1l\u00e1sig vagy finom el\u00e1gaz\u00f3d\u00e1sokig.<br \/>\nA \u201ezene\u201d \u00edgy n\u00e9zve legel\u0151sz\u00f6r is mindig szoci\u00e1lis esem\u00e9ny, amely valamilyen \u00e9letm\u00f3dot fejez ki. Sz\u00e1momra ez\u00e9rt nem a hangok, jelszer\u0171s\u00e9g\u00fck vagy egym\u00e1s k\u00f6z\u00f6tti kapcsolataik a d\u00f6nt\u0151ek, hanem a helyzet, az emberek \u00e9s interakci\u00f3juk.<br \/>\nA \u201cto the memory of&#8230;\u201d-ban p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul arr\u00f3l van sz\u00f3, hogy megteremts\u00fck a bizalom vagy k\u00f6lcs\u00f6n\u00f6s elismer\u00e9s ter\u00e9t, egy felt\u00e9telek n\u00e9lk\u00fcli teret (ilyen felt\u00e9tel p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul, hogy a hangoknak ilyennek \u00e9s ilyennek kell lenni\u00fck). A felv\u00e9telen hallhat\u00f3: az adott embernek bizony jelent valamit, hogy pontosan ezzel a hanggal, ezzel a sz\u00f3val \u201emutatkozzon be\u201d, \u00e9s hogy a csoport mennyire \u00e9rz\u00e9kenyen reag\u00e1l erre. Arra t\u00f6rekedtem, hogy a partit\u00far\u00e1ban \u00e9rz\u00e9keltessem egy ilyen helyzet k\u00e9pzet\u00e9t. Sz\u00e1momra egyed\u00fcl a hangok \u00e9s szavak \u201efel- \u00e9s let\u0171n\u00e9se\u201d ir\u00e1nti figyelem a fontos, illetve az egyes szem\u00e9lyek sz\u00ednre l\u00e9p\u00e9se, \u00e9s ez\u00e1ltal az egym\u00e1ssal val\u00f3 \u00e9rintkez\u00e9s m\u00f3dja.<br \/>\nZeneszerz\u0151k\u00e9nt abban l\u00e1tom a feladatomat, hogy egy bizonyos zenei gyakorlatban \u00e9l\u0151 embereknek \u201edarabokat\u201d, azaz zenei helyzetekhez szolg\u00e1l\u00f3 \u00f6tleteket javasoljak, amelyek ennek a bizonyos gyakorlatnak megfelelnek, \u00e9s k\u00e9pesek igazolni, el\u0151bbre vinni vagy ak\u00e1r provok\u00e1lni is azt.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int\">NG:<\/span> A <a href=\"\/\/inexhaustible-editions.com\/2017\/12\/01\/ie-007\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u201cto the memory of&#8230;\u201d<\/a>-r\u00f3l el\u0151z\u0151leg m\u00e1r levelezt\u00fcnk; be kell azonban vallanom neked, hogy a pr\u00f3b\u00e1k sor\u00e1n helyenk\u00e9nt szel\u00edd cenz\u00far\u00e1t gyakoroltam; azaz volt egy elk\u00e9pzel\u00e9sem az egyes hangok min\u0151s\u00e9g\u00e9t \u00e9s \u2013 a sz\u00f3 legt\u00e1gabb \u00e9rtelm\u00e9ben \u2013 a ritmust illet\u0151leg is. Itt pedig a jelek szintje is bel\u00e9p a k\u00e9pbe, amikor egy hang p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul \u201eelhangolt zongoraakkord\u201d-k\u00e9nt, \u201efeedback&#8221;-k\u00e9nt vagy \u201ekeleti fuvola\u201d-k\u00e9nt ismerhet\u0151 fel. A verb\u00e1lis r\u00e9szben sem egyszer\u0171en k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 emberi hangok hangz\u00e1s\u00e1r\u00f3l van sz\u00f3, hanem egyfajta \u201epo\u00e9zis\u201d j\u00f6n l\u00e9tre. Ezt sokat pr\u00f3b\u00e1ltuk \u2013 egyfel\u0151l a szavak kiejt\u00e9s\u00e9t, a megfelel\u0151 pillanat ir\u00e1nti figyelmet, a saj\u00e1t hang hangz\u00e1s\u00e1t, a besz\u00e9dhangok \u201e\u00edz\u00e9t\u201d \u00e9s a csend ellen\u00e1ll\u00e1sa ir\u00e1nti \u00e9rz\u00e9ket, m\u00e1sfel\u0151l a szavak jelent\u00e9se \u00e9s a k\u00f6zt\u00fck lehets\u00e9ges asszociat\u00edv kapcsolatok ir\u00e1nti tudatoss\u00e1got is.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int\">AB:<\/span> Ez ellen \u00e9n persze felhozn\u00e1m, hogy a szel\u00edd cenz\u00fara is cenz\u00fara, \u00e9s hatalmi viszonyt vagy legal\u00e1bbis kompetencia-aszimmetri\u00e1t \u00e1ll\u00edt \u00e9s fejez ki. Azonk\u00edv\u00fcl a r\u00e9sztvev\u0151k tev\u00e9kenys\u00e9ge ennek folyt\u00e1n m\u00e9giscsak egyfajta, hab\u00e1r nagyon szel\u00edd c\u00e9lszer\u0171s\u00e9get, illetve \u201eprodukci\u00f3s\u201d aspektust kap, ily m\u00f3d pedig reduk\u00e1lja az egy\u00e9n \u00e9s az \u00e1ltala v\u00e1lasztott hang szabad cselekv\u00e9s\u00e9t \u00e9s kondicion\u00e1latlan sz\u00ednre l\u00e9p\u00e9s\u00e9t a zen\u00e9l\u0151 k\u00f6z\u00f6ss\u00e9g plur\u00e1lis, az egyes emberek \u00edt\u00e9l\u0151k\u00e9pess\u00e9g\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcl minden m\u00e1s korl\u00e1toz\u00e1st\u00f3l mentes ter\u00e9ben. 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background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][divider line_type=&#8221;No Line&#8221; custom_height=&#8221;40&#8243;][vc_column_text css=&#8221;&#8221; text_direction=&#8221;default&#8221;]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int\">NG:<\/span> \u00c9rz\u00e9keny pontot hozt\u00e1l sz\u00f3ba. Term\u00e9szetesen nem abban az \u00e9rtelemben gyakoroltam \u201ecenz\u00far\u00e1t\u201d, hogy tilalmakat mondtam volna ki. Els\u0151sorban az \u00e9rdekelt, hogy a hangok \u00e9rz\u00e9ki min\u0151s\u00e9geit, egyszersmind \u201ejelent\u00e9s\u00fcket\u201d is tudatos\u00edtsam. Utaltam p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul a \u201egesztus\u201d \u00e9s a \u201ehang\u201d k\u00f6z\u00f6tti k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9gre, \u00e9s azt aj\u00e1nlottam a r\u00e9sztvev\u0151knek, hogy ker\u00fclj\u00e9k a puszta gesztust (p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul hogy elejtenek valamit, l\u00e1bbal dobbantanak, becsapj\u00e1k az ajt\u00f3t stb.), \u00e9s ehelyett mag\u00e1ra a hangra, illetve az azt l\u00e9trehoz\u00f3 akci\u00f3ra \u00f6sszpontos\u00edtsanak.<br \/>\nTud\u00e1s ter\u00e9n term\u00e9szetesen l\u00e9teznek szintk\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9gek. A di\u00e1kjaim kezd\u0151k. Ha a Wandelweiser Egy\u00fcttessel adod el\u0151 a darabodat, a \u201ekorrekt\u00fara\u201d f\u00f6l\u00f6slegess\u00e9 v\u00e1lik, hiszen minden r\u00e9sztvev\u0151 be van avatva \u00fagymond a zenei gyakorlatba. Ett\u0151l f\u00fcggetlen\u00fcl persze mindannyiszor f\u00f6l kell tennem magamnak a k\u00e9rd\u00e9st, hogy a beavatkoz\u00e1s egy m\u00e1sik ember szem\u00e9lyis\u00e9g\u00e9nek kibontakoz\u00e1s\u00e1ba mennyire legitim.<br \/>\nA probl\u00e9ma azonban igaz\u00e1ban a kompoz\u00edci\u00f3n\u00e1l kezd\u0151dik, hiszen egy m\u00e9goly hom\u00e1lyos utas\u00edt\u00e1s is utas\u00edt\u00e1s \u00e9s a beavatkoz\u00e1s egy form\u00e1ja. A te darabod, a \u201cto the memory of&#8230;\u201d bizony\u00e1ra a nagyon visszafogott \u00e9s felel\u0151ss\u00e9gteljes beavatkoz\u00e1s p\u00e9ld\u00e1ja; m\u00e9gis \u00e9rdekelne, hogy te a magad sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra hogyan oldod meg ezt a konfliktust.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int\">AB:<\/span> Most m\u00e1r \u00e9rtem, hogy a \u201eszel\u00edd cenz\u00fara\u201d megfogalmaz\u00e1st ink\u00e1bb a t\u00f6preng\u00e9s \u00e9s az az ir\u00e1nti tudat magatart\u00e1s\u00e1b\u00f3l v\u00e1lasztottad, hogy mennyire k\u00e9nyes dolog lehet valamit m\u00e1s embereknek sugallni vagy ak\u00e1r el\u0151\u00edrni.<br \/>\nEz csakugyan m\u00e1r a kompon\u00e1l\u00e1snak probl\u00e9m\u00e1ja lehet, k\u00fcl\u00f6n\u00f6sen, ha a partit\u00far\u00e1t annak \u00e1br\u00e1zol\u00e1sak\u00e9nt fogjuk fel, amit a zeneszerz\u0151 \u201eakar\u201d, az el\u0151ad\u00f3k pedig ezen akarat \u201ev\u00e9grehajt\u00f3inak\u201d tekintik (vagy annak kell tekinteni\u00fck) magukat. Az \u201e\u00daj Zen\u00e9ben\u201d ez bevett gyakorlat. A zeneszerz\u0151 jelenl\u00e9t\u00e9ben zajl\u00f3 pr\u00f3b\u00e1kon alighanem ez a k\u00e9rd\u00e9s hangzik el leggyakrabban: \u201eEzt itt te hogyan k\u00e9pzelted el?\u201d<br \/>\nEzt a viszonyt, amelyben a zeneszerz\u0151 a v\u00e9gs\u0151, utas\u00edt\u00e1si hatalommal b\u00edr\u00f3 tekint\u00e9ly, a \u201ek\u00eds\u00e9rleti zen\u00e9ben\u201d \u00edgy ritk\u00e1bban fogod megtal\u00e1lni. Ez azzal f\u00fcgg \u00f6ssze, hogy itt eg\u00e9sz m\u00e1smilyen gyakorlatr\u00f3l van sz\u00f3, amely ink\u00e1bb egy \u201cshared experience&#8221;-re (James Tenney) ir\u00e1nyul a hang m\u00e9dium\u00e1ban, mintsem hangstrukt\u00far\u00e1k munkamegoszt\u00e1son alapul\u00f3 el\u0151\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1ra.<br \/>\nA zeneszerz\u0151 ebben az esetben \u201eegy k\u00f6z\u00fcl\u00fcnk\u201d, aki javaslatot fogalmaz meg egy lehets\u00e9ges k\u00f6z\u00f6s tapasztalat felt\u00e1r\u00e1s\u00e1ra. A partit\u00fara olyan, mint egy bar\u00e1tok k\u00f6z\u00f6tti bizalmas lev\u00e9l: f\u00e9l szavakb\u00f3l is meg\u00e9rtj\u00fck egym\u00e1st. Bar\u00e1tok nem utas\u00edtj\u00e1k, hanem felk\u00e9rik egym\u00e1st (s\u00e9t\u00e1ra, besz\u00e9lget\u00e9sre, k\u00f6z\u00f6s zen\u00e9l\u00e9sre). Arra buzd\u00edtj\u00e1k egym\u00e1st, hogy sz\u00e1nj\u00e1k r\u00e1 magukat egy esetleg \u00e9rtelemteremt\u0151 tapasztalatra, amely kifejez\u00e9st ad annak a m\u00f3dnak, ahogyan k\u00f6t\u0151dnek egym\u00e1shoz, \u00e9s ahogyan \u00e9rintkeznek egym\u00e1ssal. \u00cdgy volt ez a \u201cto the memory of&#8230;\u201d eset\u00e9ben is: felk\u00e9rtetek, hogy csin\u00e1ljak egy darabot nektek. \u00c9n ezt bar\u00e1tok k\u00f6z\u00f6tti felk\u00e9r\u00e9snek tekintettem. Noha szem\u00e9lyesen csak mi ketten ismerkedt\u00fcnk meg, \u00e9n m\u00e9gis el\u00e9g k\u00f6t\u0151d\u00e9st \u00e9reztem a csoporthoz, hogy bar\u00e1tok m\u00f3dj\u00e1ra tudjak csin\u00e1lni nektek valamit. V\u00e9g\u00fcl is rajtad kereszt\u00fcl kezdett\u0151l fogva (lelkesen) nyomon k\u00f6vethettem, hogy milyen gyakorlatot hoztok l\u00e9tre. Az embernek nem esik nehez\u00e9re, hogy valamik\u00e9ppen hozz\u00e1tok tartoz\u00f3nak \u00e9rezze mag\u00e1t.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int\">NG:<\/span> \u00cdgy \u00e9rtettem \u00e9n is; mindaz\u00e1ltal megvolt bennem az amb\u00edci\u00f3, hogy \u00e9rdekes \u00e9s soksz\u00edn\u0171 hang\u00e9lm\u00e9nyt hozzak l\u00e9tre, a CD-k\u00e9sz\u00edt\u00e9s tekintet\u00e9ben is.<br \/>\nM\u00e9g az \u00e9rdekelne, hogy mi m\u00f3don jutott\u00e1l el ahhoz a zen\u00e9hez, amit ma csin\u00e1lsz. Milyen zen\u00e9t hallgatt\u00e1l fiatalon; milyen a viszonyod a rockzen\u00e9hez, amely ugyeb\u00e1r ellentmond\u00e1sban van Cage k\u00f6vetel\u00e9s\u00e9vel, mely szerint engedj\u00fck a hangokat, hogy \u201e\u00f6nmaguk\u201d legyenek, amennyiben a rockzene hordoz\u00f3v\u00e1 teszi a hangot (soundot), p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul egy \u00e9let\u00e9rz\u00e9s, l\u00e1zad\u00e1s hordoz\u00f3j\u00e1v\u00e1, \u00e9s a szexualit\u00e1s kifejez\u00e9s\u00e9v\u00e9. R\u00e9sze volt\u00e1l valaha is ifj\u00fas\u00e1gi mozgalomnak?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int\">AB:<\/span> A rockzen\u00e9hez soha nem volt egzisztenci\u00e1lis viszonyom. Ifj\u00fas\u00e1gi mozgalom r\u00e9sz\u00e9nek sem \u00e9reztem magam soha. Az \u00e9n \u00e9let\u00e9rz\u00e9semnek Cage felelt meg. Tizenh\u00e1rom vagy tizenn\u00e9gy \u00e9vesen fedeztem fel \u0151t \u00e9s vele a felismer\u00e9st, hogy \u201ca musical performance is the celebration of the fact, that we cannot possess anything\u201d; vagyis: a zene mint a szeg\u00e9nys\u00e9gnek \u2013 a birtokolni nem tud\u00e1snak \u2013 nem csup\u00e1n az elismer\u00e9se, hanem az \u00fcnnepe.<br \/>\n15 \u00e9vesen megpr\u00f3b\u00e1ltam oszt\u00e1lyt\u00e1rsaimmal is megosztani ezt, m\u00e9gpedig oly m\u00f3d, hogy k\u00eds\u00e9rleti zenei workshopokat \u00e9s koncerteket szerveztem az iskol\u00e1ban, a rektor kifejezett t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1val.<br \/>\nEzt egy\u00e9bk\u00e9nt m\u00e1r akkor is kimondottan politikai tev\u00e9kenys\u00e9gnek \u00e9s a l\u00e1zad\u00e1s, a t\u00e1rsadalomkritika kifejez\u00e9s\u00e9nek tekintettem.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int\">NG:<\/span> K\u00f6sz\u00f6n\u00f6m a besz\u00e9lget\u00e9st.<\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; 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