{"id":29738,"date":"2022-04-19T20:51:53","date_gmt":"2022-04-19T18:51:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/balkon.art\/home\/?p=29738"},"modified":"2023-03-13T20:32:12","modified_gmt":"2023-03-13T19:32:12","slug":"nehany-ember-fejlodik-csak-a-tobbi-mindig-ugyanolyan-marad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/balkon.art\/home\/nehany-ember-fejlodik-csak-a-tobbi-mindig-ugyanolyan-marad\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201eN\u00e9h\u00e1ny ember fejl\u0151dik csak, a t\u00f6bbi mindig ugyanolyan marad\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"[vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-2-0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<h3 class=\"title-1\">Mistelbachi interj\u00fa Hermann Nitsch-csel<span class=\"index\">*<\/span><\/h3>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-1-0&#8243; advanced_gradient_angle=&#8221;0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">Ligetfalvi Gergely:<\/span> \u201eHermann Nitsch, aki 1971-t\u0151l m\u00e1r Prinzendorfb\u00f3l h\u00f3d\u00edtotta meg a vil\u00e1got, sz\u00edvesen tekinti mag\u00e1t weinvierteli patri\u00f3t\u00e1nak \u00e9s a vid\u00e9ki \u00e9letm\u00f3d hirdet\u0151j\u00e9nek\u201d \u2014 olvashat\u00f3 mostani ki\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1sa<span class=\"index\">1<\/span> sajt\u00f3sz\u00f6veg\u00e9ben. \u00d6n tal\u00e1n az egyik legismertebb \u00e9s legvitatottabb m\u0171v\u00e9sz, akit Ausztria valaha is a vil\u00e1gnak adott. Dion\u00fcszosz, a bor \u00e9s a m\u00e1mor isten\u00e9nek neve az \u00d6n munk\u00e1ss\u00e1g\u00e1nak k\u00f6sz\u00f6nhet\u0151en turisztikai fogalomm\u00e1 v\u00e1lt. B\u00e9cs belv\u00e1ros\u00e1ban is lehet tal\u00e1lni olyan utaz\u00e1si irod\u00e1kat, amelyek \u201edion\u00fcszoszi t\u00far\u00e1kat\u201d hirdetnek a Weinviertel borospinc\u00e9ibe. \u00c9lvezi az egykori radik\u00e1lis avantg\u00e1rd, b\u00f6rt\u00f6nnel s\u00fajtott \u00e9s a titkosszolg\u00e1latok megfigyel\u00e9se alatt \u00e1ll\u00f3 akcionista m\u0171v\u00e9sz a klassziciz\u00e1l\u00f3dott, kultur\u00e1lis \u00e9s turisztikai brandd\u00e9 lett pr\u00f3f\u00e9ta szerep\u00e9t? Mit gondol, megfelel\u0151 form\u00e1ban \u00e9rett be a misszi\u00f3ja?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">Hermann Nitsch:<\/span> Nem hiszek abban, hogy az eg\u00e9sz vil\u00e1got meg lehet v\u00e1ltoztatni. Csak n\u00e9h\u00e1ny ember megv\u00e1ltoztat\u00e1s\u00e1ra van lehet\u0151s\u00e9g\u00fcnk, viszont \u00e9n a munk\u00e1mmal \u00e9s a filoz\u00f3fi\u00e1mmal rengeteg ember \u00e9let\u00e9t v\u00e1ltoztattam meg. Hiszek abban, hogy a vil\u00e1gban minden mozg\u00e1sban van, nem l\u00e9tezik kezdet \u00e9s v\u00e9g, \u00e9pp ez\u00e9rt fejl\u0151d\u00e9s sincsen egy alacsonyabb fokr\u00f3l egy magasabbra. Csak n\u00e9h\u00e1ny kiv\u00e9teles ember van, akik k\u00e9pesek a fejl\u0151d\u00e9sre: rajtuk kereszt\u00fcl \u00e9bred \u00f6ntudatra a vil\u00e1g. Ennyi az eg\u00e9sz, \u00e9s ez\u00e9rt nem mondan\u00e1m, hogy v\u00e1ltoznak az id\u0151k. N\u00e9h\u00e1ny ember fejl\u0151dik csak, a t\u00f6bbi mindig ugyanolyan marad.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> G\u00fcnter Brust\u00f3l id\u00e9zek most: \u201ePollock \u00e9s a b\u00e9csi akcionizmus k\u00f6z\u00f6tt ott van a t\u00f6r\u00e9spont, ahol fotogr\u00e1fia \u00e9s a k\u00f6z\u00f6ns\u00e9g k\u00f6z\u00f6tt.\u201d Rajta k\u00edv\u00fcl az \u00d6n budapesti ki\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1r\u00f3l \u00edr\u00f3 F\u00f6ld\u00e9nyi F. L\u00e1szl\u00f3 is problematikusnak l\u00e1tta az orgia miszt\u00e9rium sz\u00ednh\u00e1z \u00e9s a fotogr\u00e1fia viszony\u00e1t: \u201eNem hallgathatom el egyetlen negat\u00edv \u00e9szrev\u00e9telemet a ki\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1ssal kapcsolatban. Nitsch a hatnapos esem\u00e9ny rekvizitumait \u00e1ll\u00edtotta ki a Kiscelli M\u00fazeumban, illetve az ezekhez kapcsol\u00f3d\u00f3 rajzait \u00e9s festm\u00e9nyeit a V\u00e1rfok Gal\u00e9ri\u00e1ban. A rengeteg fot\u00f3 azonban nem tartozik a rekvizitumokhoz. B\u00e1rmilyen t\u00f6k\u00e9letes technik\u00e1val k\u00e9sz\u00fcltek is, \u00e9s b\u00e1rmennyire sz\u00e9pen vannak bekeretezve \u00e9s install\u00e1lva, e fot\u00f3k nem rekvizitumok, hanem a rekvizitumok dokument\u00e1ci\u00f3i.\u201d<span class=\"index\">2<\/span> Milyen szerepet t\u00f6lt be a fotogr\u00e1fia az \u00f6n m\u0171v\u00e9szet\u00e9ben?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> Nekem a performansz a legfontosabb, a performansz val\u00f3s\u00e1ga. Mindig a Gesamtkunstwerk \u00e1ll a k\u00f6z\u00e9ppontban. Mondhatjuk azt, hogy a performansz val\u00f3s\u00e1g, amely megt\u00f6rt\u00e9nik. A val\u00f3s\u00e1got az \u00f6t \u00e9rz\u00e9kszerv\u00fcnk\u00f6n kereszt\u00fcl \u00e9rz\u00e9kelhetj\u00fck. Lehet szagolni, meg lehet \u00e9rinteni, meg lehet \u00edzlelni, meg lehet enni \u00e9s meg is lehet hallani. A performanszaimban mindezek benne vannak: a hangok, a zene\u2026 Nekem a f\u00e9nyk\u00e9pez\u00e9s puszt\u00e1n a performansz dokument\u00e1ci\u00f3ja, semmi t\u00f6bb. A legfontosabb a performanszon bel\u00fcl l\u00e9tezni: szagolni \u00e9s \u00edzlelni.[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;box-l20&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-sm-offset-0&#8243;][divider line_type=&#8221;Small Line&#8221; line_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; line_thickness=&#8221;4&#8243; divider_color=&#8221;black&#8221; custom_height=&#8221;20&#8243; custom_line_width=&#8221;100&#8243;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"footnote-anchor\">*<\/p>\n<p class=\"szcena-2014-lj\">Az interj\u00fa nyomtatott form\u00e1ban a Balkon 2008\/9 sz\u00e1m\u00e1ban jelent meg.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote-anchor\">1<\/p>\n<p class=\"szcena-2014-lj\"><span class=\"small\">Hermann Nitsch:<\/span> 20. Malaktion Wiener Secession 1987 (Sammlung Mitterbauer), Hermann Nitsch Museum<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote-anchor\">2<\/p>\n<p class=\"szcena-2014-lj\"><span class=\"small\">F\u00f6ld\u00e9nyi F. L\u00e1szl\u00f3:<\/span> Miszt\u00e9riumj\u00e1t\u00e9k Prinzendorfb\u00f3l. Hermann Nitsch Budapesten. <em>\u00c9let \u00e9s Irodalom,<\/em> 1999\/27.sz. (Hermann Nitsch-csel kapcsolatban ld. m\u00e9g a <em>Balkon<\/em> 1998\/9-es tematikus sz\u00e1m\u00e1t; A <em>Hatnapos j\u00e1t\u00e9k Prinzendorfban<\/em> c\u00edm\u0171 ki\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1sr\u00f3l \/ BTM \u2014 F\u0151v\u00e1rosi K\u00e9pt\u00e1r Kiscelli M\u00fazeum, Budapest, 1999. j\u00fanius 18 \u2014 j\u00falius 11. \/ Adamik Lajos besz\u00e9lget\u00e9s\u00e9t Hermann Nitsch-csel: Azt mondj\u00e1k tabukat s\u00e9rtek&#8230; <em>Balkon,<\/em> 1999\/9.; az o.m. sz\u00ednh\u00e1zr\u00f3l pedig Mesty\u00e1n \u00c1d\u00e1m elemz\u00e9s\u00e9t: Hermann Nitsch eszt\u00e9tik\u00e1ja. <em>Balkon,<\/em> 2005\/7,8.)<\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;full_width_content&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; 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column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][image_with_animation image_url=&#8221;29745&#8243; image_size=&#8221;full&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;entrance&#8221; animation=&#8221;Fade In&#8221; animation_easing=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_movement_type=&#8221;transform_y&#8221; hover_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; alignment=&#8221;center&#8221; img_link_large=&#8221;yes&#8221; border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; box_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; image_loading=&#8221;default&#8221; max_width=&#8221;100%&#8221; max_width_mobile=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;full-img&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kepalir-1r\">Hermann Nitsch | Galeria White, Budapest, 2008. okt\u00f3ber 11. \u00a9 Fot\u00f3: Eln Ferenc<\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; 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phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> 1959-ben, a XXX. Velencei Bienn\u00e1l\u00e9n az informel fest\u00e9szet vil\u00e1grasz\u00f3l\u00f3 mustr\u00e1j\u00e1val tal\u00e1lkozhatott a k\u00f6z\u00f6ns\u00e9g. Visszatekintve \u00fagy t\u0171nik, hogy az az alkot\u00e1stechnika, hogy a fest\u0151 ne csak egy, hanem mindk\u00e9t kez\u00e9vel vagy az eg\u00e9sz test\u00e9vel fessen, vez\u00e9rmot\u00edvumm\u00e1 v\u00e1lt a k\u00e9s\u0151bbi k\u00e9pz\u0151m\u0171v\u00e9szetben, Ausztri\u00e1ban k\u00fcl\u00f6n\u00f6sen. \u00d6n egy a b\u00e9csi K\u00fcnstlerhausban rendezett informel ki\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1st szokott sorsford\u00edt\u00f3 \u00e9lm\u00e9nyk\u00e9nt eml\u00edteni. \u00d6nt\u0151l id\u00e9zek: \u201eL\u00e1ttam, hogy ezek a fest\u0151k ugyan azt teszik a v\u00e1szonnal, amit \u00e9n a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zamban akartam megval\u00f3s\u00edtani. Ekkor kezd\u0151d\u00f6tt a fest\u00e9szetem: elkezdtem informel k\u00e9peket festeni, sz\u00ednes fest\u00e9ksugarakat loccsantottam a v\u00e1szonra.\u201d Ha j\u00f3l \u00e9rtelmezem az id\u00e9zetet, \u00d6n itt a fest\u00e9s-akci\u00f3kra, nem pedig az o.m. sz\u00ednh\u00e1z r\u00edtusaira gondolt. Mindig fontos volt \u00f6nnek a fest\u00e9szet? Hogyan viszonyul egym\u00e1shoz az o.m. sz\u00ednh\u00e1z \u00e9s a fest\u00e9szet?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> El\u0151sz\u00f6r is el kell mondanom, hogy amikor elkezdem az o.m. sz\u00ednh\u00e1zat, lemondtam mind a falak, mind pedig a nyelv haszn\u00e1lat\u00e1r\u00f3l. Azon az \u00faton indultam el, hogy csak egyetlen nyelv l\u00e9tezik: az \u00e9rz\u00e9keink nyelve. Ha valaki szem\u00fcgyre veszi a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zamat, szertart\u00e1sok folyamatait l\u00e1thatja: v\u00e9rben f\u00fcrd\u0151 emberi testeket, vagy felnyitott \u00e1llattetemeket. Ez mind val\u00f3s\u00e1gos dolog, a k\u00f6z\u00f6ns\u00e9gnek pedig nagyon intenz\u00edven kell haszn\u00e1lnia az \u00e9rz\u00e9keit. F\u0151leg kezdetben az sz\u00e1m\u00edtott k\u00fcl\u00f6n\u00f6sen, hogy az emberek haszn\u00e1lj\u00e1k az \u00edzlel\u00e9s\u00fcket, a szagl\u00e1sukat: szavak n\u00e9lk\u00fcli k\u00f6lt\u00e9szetet akartam teremteni, igazi f\u00e1jdalmakkal \u00e9s \u00edzekkel, kiszolg\u00e1ltatni a h\u00fast \u00e9s a zsigereket a tapint\u00e1snak. A sz\u00ednpadra vittem a v\u00e9rt, vagy a k\u00fcl\u00f6nf\u00e9le olajakat, a benzint, az amm\u00f3ni\u00e1t \u00e9s m\u00e1s folyad\u00e9kokat. Egyfajta fest\u00e9szet volt ez.<\/p>\n<p>Igen, ott voltam a nemzetk\u00f6zi informel ki\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1son, amelyr\u0151l k\u00e9rdezett, \u00e9s azt l\u00e1ttam, hogy ezek a m\u0171v\u00e9szek ugyanazt csin\u00e1lj\u00e1k a festm\u00e9nnyel, amit \u00e9n a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zzal, a sz\u00ednpaddal szeretn\u00e9k. Val\u00f3ban ezzel kezd\u0151d\u00f6tt a fest\u00e9szetem, \u00e9s a fest\u00e9szetem volt az els\u0151 l\u00e9p\u00e9s a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zam megval\u00f3s\u00edt\u00e1sa fel\u00e9. Az amerikaiak action paintingje egyfajta folyamat volt: nem csak a k\u00e9pi eredm\u00e9ny volt fontos, hanem maga a fest\u00e9s ritu\u00e1l\u00e9ja. Az \u00e9n festm\u00e9nyeimen is \u00e9szre lehet venni, hogy ext\u00e1zisba ker\u00fcl\u00f6k az alkot\u00e1sfolyamat sor\u00e1n.<\/p>\n<p>Teh\u00e1t a fest\u00e9szetem volt az els\u0151 l\u00e9p\u00e9s a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zam fel\u00e9. A k\u00f6vetkez\u0151 l\u00e9p\u00e9s az volt, hogy elhagytam a v\u00e1sznat, \u00e9s elkezdtem v\u00e9rt, h\u00fast, b\u00e1r\u00e1nyokat haszn\u00e1lni. Vagyis m\u00e9lyen gy\u00f6kerez\u0151 kapcsolat van az akci\u00f3fest\u00e9szetem \u00e9s a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zam k\u00f6z\u00f6tt. Annak, aki \u00e9rti a fest\u00e9szetemet, \u00e9rtenie kell a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zamat is, \u00e9s vice versa.[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;box-l20&#8243; advanced_gradient_angle=&#8221;0&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-sm-offset-0 vc_hidden-sm vc_hidden-xs&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;full_width_content&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-cont-4-0 full-0-15&#8243; advanced_gradient_angle=&#8221;0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][image_with_animation image_url=&#8221;29777&#8243; image_size=&#8221;full&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;entrance&#8221; animation=&#8221;Fade In&#8221; animation_easing=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_movement_type=&#8221;transform_y&#8221; hover_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; alignment=&#8221;center&#8221; img_link_large=&#8221;yes&#8221; border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; box_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; image_loading=&#8221;default&#8221; max_width=&#8221;100%&#8221; max_width_mobile=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;full-img&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kepalir-r-0-15\">Hermann Nitsch: <em>40. Malaktion,<\/em> | 20er Haus, Wien | 1997 \u00a9 Nitsch Foundation<\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-4-0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Miel\u0151tt feltenn\u00e9m a k\u00f6vetkez\u0151 k\u00e9rd\u00e9st, szeretn\u00e9k el\u0151re bocs\u00e1natot k\u00e9rni az udvariatlans\u00e1gom\u00e9rt, amely azonban \u2014 \u00e9s ez rem\u00e9lhet\u0151leg hamarosan kider\u00fcl \u2014 semmik\u00e9ppen sem c\u00e9ltalan.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\">Gondolom, sokszor j\u00e1rt m\u00e1r diszn\u00f3v\u00e1g\u00e1son, \u00e9s pontosan tudom, mennyire szereti az egyszer\u0171, vid\u00e9ki \u00e9teleket. \u00c1m \u00d6n eg\u00e9szen saj\u00e1tos viszonyt \u00e1pol az \u00e1llatok test\u00e9vel. El\u0151fordult-e m\u00e1r \u00d6nnel, hogy a hajnali bor- \u00e9s p\u00e1linkag\u0151z\u00f6s szenved\u00e9lyben nem b\u00edrt uralkodni mag\u00e1n, \u00e9s nekiugrott a frissen perzselt, bakra h\u00fazott tetemnek, vagy \u00ednyenchez ill\u0151en mindig kiv\u00e1rta e mindennapi tor elfogyaszt\u00e1s\u00e1nak pillanat\u00e1t?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> Legel\u0151sz\u00f6r is mindenk\u00e9ppen el kell mondanom, hogy \u00e9n nagyon szeretem az \u00e1llatokat, \u00e9s soha az \u00e9letben nem \u00e1llt sz\u00e1nd\u00e9komban f\u00e1jdalmat okozni nekik. \u00c9n sosem akartam egyetlen \u00e1llatot sem meg\u00f6lni. Ha a performanszaimban meg is \u00f6l\u00fcnk \u00e1llatokat, ami egy\u00e9bk\u00e9nt nagyon ritk\u00e1n fordul el\u0151, val\u00f3j\u00e1ban akkor sem \u00e9n \u00f6l\u00f6m meg \u0151ket, hanem a t\u00e1rsadalom. Ezek olyan \u00e1llatok, amelyekre am\u00fagy sem v\u00e1rna m\u00e1s j\u00f6v\u0151, mint a v\u00e1g\u00f3h\u00eddi feldolgoz\u00e1s.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c9n a maga val\u00f3s\u00e1g\u00e1ban mutatom meg ezt a folyamatot. Az nem lenne val\u00f3s\u00e1gh\u0171, ha \u00e1llatokat v\u00e1s\u00e1roln\u00e9k az\u00e9rt, hogy megmentsem \u0151ket. \u00c9n egyfajta ter\u00e1pi\u00e1t pr\u00f3b\u00e1lok megval\u00f3s\u00edtani. A v\u00e1laszt\u00f3vonal az \u0151r\u00fclts\u00e9g \u00e9s az \u00f6nuralom k\u00f6z\u00f6tt nagyon fontos sz\u00e1momra. De \u00fagy mondan\u00e1m, hogy az eny\u00e9m nem egy antihum\u00e1nus projekt, hanem nagyon is emberi. Nagyon k\u00f6zel \u00e1ll a pszichoanal\u00edzishez, a tudatalattihoz, ahhoz az elk\u00e9pzel\u00e9shez, hogy a tudatunk vissza akarja fojtani a benn\u00fcnk rejl\u0151 energi\u00e1kat. Ezeket akarom \u00e9n felszabad\u00edtani: az agresszi\u00f3t, az er\u0151szakot, a szado-mazochista \u00f6szt\u00f6n\u00f6ket, amelyek m\u00e9lyen benn\u00fcnk rejlenek. El akarom juttatni \u0151ket a tudatoss\u00e1gig, ritu\u00e1lis lereag\u00e1l\u00f3 szertart\u00e1sokon kereszt\u00fcl. Mint egy ter\u00e1pi\u00e1ban. Freud \u00e9s Jung nagyon fontosak nekem. Megpr\u00f3b\u00e1lok nagyon m\u00e9lyre eljutni \u00e9s felhozni; tudatos\u00edtani azt, amit odalent tal\u00e1lok.[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;box-l20&#8243; advanced_gradient_angle=&#8221;0&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-sm-offset-0 vc_hidden-sm vc_hidden-xs&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;full_width_background&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-cont-4-0&#8243; advanced_gradient_angle=&#8221;0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][image_with_animation image_url=&#8221;29785&#8243; image_size=&#8221;full&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;entrance&#8221; animation=&#8221;Fade In&#8221; animation_easing=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_movement_type=&#8221;transform_y&#8221; hover_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; alignment=&#8221;center&#8221; img_link_large=&#8221;yes&#8221; border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; box_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; image_loading=&#8221;default&#8221; max_width=&#8221;100%&#8221; max_width_mobile=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;full-img&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kepalir-1r\">Hermann Nitsch Museum, Mistelbach, 2007. m\u00e1jus (r\u00e9szlet a ki\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1sr\u00f3l) \u00a9 Fot\u00f3: Kerekes Zolt\u00e1n<\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-4-0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Az o.m. sz\u00ednh\u00e1z alap\u00edt\u00f3 esem\u00e9nye az \u00d6n szavaival: \u201e1962. j\u00fanius 4-\u00e9n kizsigerelek, sz\u00e9tt\u00e9pek \u00e9s sz\u00e9tmarcangolok egy \u00e1ltalam le\u00f6lt b\u00e1r\u00e1nyt\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> \u00c1lljon meg! Azt a b\u00e1r\u00e1nyt nem \u00e9n \u00f6ltem meg. A t\u00e1rsadalom \u00f6lte meg.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Vagy \u00fagy. \u00c9n a ford\u00edt\u00e1sban azt olvastam, hogy \u00d6n \u00f6lte meg.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> \u00c9n sosem \u00f6ltem meg egyetlen \u00e1llatot sem, r\u00e1ad\u00e1sul legt\u00f6bbsz\u00f6r olyan \u00e1llatokat v\u00e1s\u00e1rlunk a performanszokhoz, amelyeket m\u00e1r a v\u00e1g\u00f3h\u00eddon le\u00f6ltek, \u00e9s meg is essz\u00fck \u0151ket a performanszok ut\u00e1n. Mind\u00f6ssze n\u00e9gyszer, maximum \u00f6tsz\u00f6r\u2026 vagy tal\u00e1n hatszor fordult el\u0151, hogy a performansz sor\u00e1n \u00f6lt\u00e9k meg az \u00e1llatokat. Ezekben az esetekben pedig hivat\u00e1sos m\u00e9sz\u00e1rosok v\u00e9gezt\u00e9k a munk\u00e1t.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Most hadd mondjak el egy t\u00f6rt\u00e9netet, amely a lib\u00e9riai milicist\u00e1r\u00f3l, Joshua Milton Blahyir\u00f3l sz\u00f3l, aki, visszaeml\u00e9kez\u00e9sei szerint, az 1990-es \u00e9vekben legal\u00e1bb h\u00faszezer embert \u00f6lt meg, k\u00f6z\u00f6tt\u00fck sz\u00e1mos gyereket. Tizenegy \u00e9ves kor\u00e1ban egy s\u00e1t\u00e1nista szekta tagja lett \u00e9s ember\u00e1ldozatokban vett r\u00e9szt. \u0150t id\u00e9zem most: \u201eMeg\u00f6lt\u00fcnk egy \u00e1rtatlan gyereket \u00e9s kit\u00e9pt\u00fck a sz\u00edv\u00e9t, amelyet feldaraboltunk \u00e9s megett\u00fcnk. Sz\u00f3val, miel\u0151tt csat\u00e1ba indultam volna a csapatommal, ber\u00fagtunk \u00e9s bedrogoztunk, fel\u00e1ldoztunk egy k\u00f6rny\u00e9kbeli kamaszt \u00e9s megittuk a v\u00e9r\u00e9t. Majd ledobtuk a cip\u0151nket \u00e9s \u00fagy vonultunk csat\u00e1ba, hogy csak sz\u00ednes par\u00f3k\u00e1kat \u00e9s n\u0151i retik\u00fcl\u00f6ket viselt\u00fcnk, amelyeket a helybeliekt\u0151l zs\u00e1km\u00e1nyoltunk. Mindenkit lem\u00e9sz\u00e1roltunk, akit csak l\u00e1ttunk, lev\u00e1gtuk a fej\u00fcket \u00e9s focilabd\u00e1nak haszn\u00e1ltuk. Meztelenek voltunk, nem ismert\u00fck a f\u00e9lelmet, r\u00e9szegek voltunk, \u00e9s nem \u00e9rezt\u00fcnk m\u00e1st, mint gyilkol\u00e1sv\u00e1gyat.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\">Ennek 1997-ben lett v\u00e9ge, amikor a lib\u00e9riai hadvez\u00e9r megt\u00e9rt. Az\u00f3ta pedig papk\u00e9nt hirdeti az ig\u00e9t, \u00edgy gyakorol b\u0171nb\u00e1natot. Mi\u00f3ta id\u00e9n janu\u00e1rban el\u0151sz\u00f6r olvastam Blahyir\u00f3l, fel akartam \u00d6nnek tenni a k\u00e9rd\u00e9st: mit gondol, ami az o.m. sz\u00ednh\u00e1zban zajlik, ugyanazokb\u00f3l az alapelvekb\u0151l fakad, mint Blahyi csapatainak cselekedetei?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> N\u00e9zze, a m\u0171v\u00e9szet nagyon vesz\u00e9lyes. A legnagyobb m\u0171v\u00e9szek mind eg\u00e9szen a legv\u00e9gs\u0151 hat\u00e1rokig mennek el. H\u00f6lderlin meg\u0151r\u00fclt, mint sz\u00e1mtalan m\u00e1s nagyszer\u0171 m\u0171v\u00e9sz. Az a fontos, hogy az \u00f6sszes lehet\u0151s\u00e9get megmutassuk. Mint m\u00e1r mondtam, a m\u0171v\u00e9szetem egyfajta ter\u00e1pia. De engem sosem foglalkoztatott, hogy b\u00e1rkit is meg\u00f6ljek.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Nem is \u00e1ll\u00edtottam ilyesmit. \u00c9n a pszichol\u00f3giai h\u00e1tt\u00e9rr\u0151l besz\u00e9lek\u2026<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> Tudom j\u00f3l, mir\u0151l besz\u00e9l, de k\u00e9rem, \u00e9rtse meg, hogy \u00e9n nem vagyok gyilkos.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Igen, de \u00d6n azt mondja, hogy a pszichol\u00f3giai alapelveknek a sz\u00ednh\u00e1z\u00e1ban ellen\u0151rz\u00e9s alatt tartott k\u00f6r\u00fclm\u00e9nyek k\u00f6z\u00f6tt teremt lereag\u00e1l\u00e1si lehet\u0151s\u00e9get. En\u00e9lk\u00fcl a kontroll n\u00e9lk\u00fcl sz\u00ednh\u00e1z\u00e1nak r\u00e9szvev\u0151i a hasonl\u00f3 alapelvek nyom\u00e1n ak\u00e1r hasonl\u00f3 m\u00e9sz\u00e1rl\u00e1sra lenn\u00e9nek k\u00e9pesek, mint az afrikai milicist\u00e1k?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> Minden benn\u00fcnk rejlik. Val\u00f3di gyilkosok b\u00fajnak meg benn\u00fcnk, mindannyian perverzek vagyunk \u00e9s szado-mazochist\u00e1k. De l\u00e9tezik egy hat\u00e1r: ez a kult\u00fara. \u00c9n nem gondolok arra, hogy b\u00e1rkit is meg\u00f6ljek. Az emberi nem saj\u00e1toss\u00e1ga, hogy k\u00e9pes annak a tudom\u00e1s\u00e1ra jutni, hogy rendelkez\u00e9s\u00e9re \u00e1llnak olyan eszk\u00f6z\u00f6k, mint mondjuk a gyilkol\u00e1s. De mi csak a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zban mutatjuk ezt be. \u00c9n abban hiszek, hogy az emberi l\u00e9nyben rejlik minden: a val\u00f3s\u00e1g minden eleme \u00e9s energi\u00e1ja. Lehetn\u00e9nk gyilkosok, de nem tessz\u00fck meg. Viszont tudjuk, hogy nagyon m\u00e9lyen benn\u00fcnk vannak ezek a k\u00e9sztet\u00e9sek, \u00e9s ez\u00e9rt olyan fontos, hogy al\u00e1bukjunk, m\u00e9gpedig a sz\u00ednh\u00e1z ny\u00fajtotta ter\u00e1pia form\u00e1j\u00e1ban. Hogy ki\u00e9lj\u00fck, a tudat szintj\u00e9re hozzuk ezeket az indulatokat. De megvan benn\u00fcnk mindegyik, ez vit\u00e1n fel\u00fcl \u00e1ll.[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;box-l20&#8243; advanced_gradient_angle=&#8221;0&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221; offset=&#8221;vc_col-sm-offset-0 vc_hidden-sm vc_hidden-xs&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;full_width_content&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-cont-4-0 full-0-15&#8243; advanced_gradient_angle=&#8221;0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221; gradient_type=&#8221;default&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;1\/1&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][image_with_animation image_url=&#8221;29748&#8243; image_size=&#8221;full&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;entrance&#8221; animation=&#8221;Fade In&#8221; animation_easing=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_movement_type=&#8221;transform_y&#8221; hover_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; alignment=&#8221;center&#8221; img_link_large=&#8221;yes&#8221; border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; box_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; image_loading=&#8221;default&#8221; max_width=&#8221;100%&#8221; max_width_mobile=&#8221;default&#8221; el_class=&#8221;full-img&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kepalir-r-0-15\">Hermann Nitsch: <em>20. Malaktion,<\/em> Wiener Secession, 1987 | Hermann Nitsch Museum, Mistelbach \u00a9 MzM, Mistelbach, 2007. m\u00e1jus<\/p>\n[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=&#8221;in_container&#8221; full_screen_row_position=&#8221;middle&#8221; column_margin=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_tablet=&#8221;default&#8221; column_direction_phone=&#8221;default&#8221; scene_position=&#8221;center&#8221; text_color=&#8221;dark&#8221; text_align=&#8221;left&#8221; row_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; row_border_radius_applies=&#8221;bg&#8221; overflow=&#8221;visible&#8221; class=&#8221;p-4-0&#8243; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; shape_divider_position=&#8221;bottom&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; shape_type=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column column_padding=&#8221;no-extra-padding&#8221; column_padding_tablet=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_phone=&#8221;inherit&#8221; column_padding_position=&#8221;all&#8221; column_element_direction_desktop=&#8221;default&#8221; column_element_spacing=&#8221;default&#8221; desktop_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; tablet_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Nekem a szir\u00e9nek cs\u00e1b\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1t id\u00e9zi az \u00d6n m\u0171v\u00e9szi m\u00f3dszere: az \u00e9rtem ezalatt, hogy ritu\u00e1l\u00e9iban az ember pszich\u00e9j\u00e9nek kegyetlen, az \u00d6n szav\u00e1val \u201eelement\u00e1ris excesszus-helyzeteknek\u201d nevezett m\u00e9lys\u00e9geibe jut el a r\u00e9sztvev\u0151, \u00e1m mindv\u00e9gig ellen\u0151rz\u00e9s alatt tartott k\u00f6r\u00fclm\u00e9nyek k\u00f6z\u00f6tt.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> Igen, \u00e9n megpr\u00f3b\u00e1lom ellen\u0151rizni a k\u00f6r\u00fclm\u00e9nyeket, de meg tudom \u00e9rteni, ha valaki elvesz\u00edti a kontrollt. Meg tudom \u00e9rteni, mert p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul a k\u00f6t\u00e9lt\u00e1ncos vagy a torre\u00e1dor p\u00e9ld\u00e1ja is mutatja, hogy milyen \u00faton j\u00e1rnak a m\u0171v\u00e9szek. A torre\u00e1dorok a vil\u00e1g\u00e1llapot eg\u00e9sz\u00e9t mutatj\u00e1k be az ar\u00e9n\u00e1ban. Am\u00fagy pedig mennyire ellentmond\u00e1sos lenne, ha az orvos azt mondan\u00e1: \u201e\u00e9n gy\u0171l\u00f6l\u00f6m a r\u00e1kot.\u201d Neki dolgoznia kell a r\u00e1k ellen, nem pedig \u00edt\u00e9letet mondania r\u00f3la \u2014 nem az \u0151 dolga, hogy gy\u0171l\u00f6lje.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> \u00c9rtem. M\u00e1r csak egyetlen k\u00e9rd\u00e9sem lenne. Nem t\u00e9rtem m\u00e9g ki az afrikai t\u00f6rt\u00e9net egy fontos dimenzi\u00f3j\u00e1ra: arra m\u00e9gpedig, hogy a lib\u00e9riai milicist\u00e1knak nem volt semmif\u00e9le ideol\u00f3gi\u00e1juk: zsoldosok voltak, annak a jav\u00e1ra gyilkoltak, aki megfizette \u0151ket. Nekem ez m\u00e9g ijeszt\u0151bb ann\u00e1l is, mintha valamilyen metafizikai, vagy b\u00e1rmilyen furcs\u00e1nak hangozz\u00e9k is, szoci\u00e1lis alapelv nev\u00e9ben h\u00e1bor\u00fazn\u00e1nak. Az\u00e9rt is hoztam fel a szir\u00e9nek cs\u00e1b\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1t, mert Adorno \u00e9s Horkheimer k\u00f6nyv\u00e9re\u2026<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> \u2026Ez engem nem \u00e9rdekel.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Teh\u00e1t\u2026<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> \u00c1lljon meg, f\u00e9lbeszak\u00edtom.<\/p>\n<p>Mindannyian ismerj\u00fck a Holocaust borzalmait \u00e9s a vele kapcsolatos politikai elm\u00e9leteket. \u00e9s, nevezz\u00fck tal\u00e1n fiatal zsid\u00f3 filoz\u00f3fi\u00e1nak, sz\u00f3val a frankfurti iskola a szexualit\u00e1s, az emberi \u00e9rz\u00e9kek haszn\u00e1lat\u00e1nak ellens\u00e9ge. Az \u00e9n fiatalkoromban az egyetemeken minden professzor a frankfurti iskol\u00e1r\u00f3l besz\u00e9lt. Mire feln\u0151tt\u00fcnk, a bar\u00e1taim is \u00e9s \u00e9n is a frankfurti iskola kritik\u00e1j\u00e1t fogalmaztuk meg. Meg tudom am\u00fagy \u00e9rteni ezt az antifasiszta csoportot, de az \u00e9n gondolkod\u00e1som m\u00e1s \u00faton halad. Mert \u0151k f\u00e9lnek, nagyon f\u00e9lnek. \u00e9n belen\u00e9zek a m\u00e9lys\u00e9gbe, a fasizmus h\u00e1tter\u00e9be, \u00e9s l\u00e1tom a fasizmust is, de ezt csak \u00fagy lehet el\u00e9rni, ha az ember haszn\u00e1lja az \u00e9rz\u00e9keit, \u00e9s elmegy eg\u00e9szen a hat\u00e1raiig, nagyon m\u00e9lyre saj\u00e1t mag\u00e1ban. Gondolom, ismeri az \u0151srobban\u00e1s elm\u00e9let\u00e9t. A kozmol\u00f3gia mostanra \u00fagy gondolja, hogy nem egy egyszeri \u0151srobban\u00e1s volt a vil\u00e1gmindens\u00e9gben, hanem ugyan\u00fagy, mint a nap belsej\u00e9ben, \u00e1lland\u00f3 \u00e9s tovagy\u0171r\u0171z\u0151 robban\u00e1s zajlik.<\/p>\n<p>Rengeteg sz\u00f6rny\u0171s\u00e9get is sz\u00fclt az, amit Nietzsche a \u201ehatalom akar\u00e1s\u00e1nak\u201d nevezett. Gondoljon az atombomb\u00e1ra, amelyet egy nagyv\u00e1rosra dobnak. De az eg\u00e9sz vil\u00e1g tele van energi\u00e1val, \u00e9s folyamatosan robban\u00e1sig fesz\u00fcl. A gonosz nem m\u00e1s, mint rosszul ir\u00e1ny\u00edtott energia. K\u00e9rem, \u00e9rtsen meg engem. Engem a vil\u00e1g \u00f6sszes energi\u00e1ja \u00e9rdekel, t\u00fal a j\u00f3ra \u00e9s rosszra val\u00f3 sz\u00e9tv\u00e1laszt\u00e1son, mert e kett\u0151 szerintem ugyanannak az er\u0151nek k\u00e9t elk\u00fcl\u00f6n\u00fclt oldala. 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phone_text_alignment=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; background_hover_color_opacity=&#8221;1&#8243; column_backdrop_filter=&#8221;none&#8221; column_shadow=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_radius=&#8221;none&#8221; column_link_target=&#8221;_self&#8221; column_position=&#8221;default&#8221; gradient_direction=&#8221;left_to_right&#8221; overlay_strength=&#8221;0.3&#8243; width=&#8221;2\/3&#8243; tablet_width_inherit=&#8221;default&#8221; animation_type=&#8221;default&#8221; bg_image_animation=&#8221;none&#8221; border_type=&#8221;simple&#8221; column_border_width=&#8221;none&#8221; column_border_style=&#8221;solid&#8221;][vc_column_text]\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Feltehetem a frankfurti iskol\u00e1ra vonatkoz\u00f3 k\u00e9rd\u00e9semet?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> Igen, persze, parancsoljon.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\"><span class=\"nev-int-r\">LG:<\/span> Sz\u00f3val az\u00e9rt hoztam fel a szir\u00e9nek cs\u00e1b\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1t, mert Adorn\u00f3\u00e9k <span class=\"normal\">A felvil\u00e1gosod\u00e1s dialektik\u00e1ja<\/span> c\u00edm\u0171 k\u00f6nyv\u00e9re akartam utalni, amelyben egy, az \u00f6n\u00e9vel ellent\u00e9tes elm\u00e9letet fogalmaznak meg a ritu\u00e1lis \u00e1ldozat, \u00e9s egy\u00e1ltal\u00e1n, a vall\u00e1sok geneal\u00f3gi\u00e1j\u00e1r\u00f3l.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\">E k\u00f6nyv szerint az ember\u00e1ldozat gy\u00f6kere a t\u00e1rsadalmi gazdas\u00e1gtanban rejlik. N\u00e9ha, amikor m\u00e9g a term\u00e9szetnek kiszolg\u00e1ltatott embercsoportoknak nem volt mit enni\u00fck, a kiv\u00e1lts\u00e1gos csoport \u2014 amelyben az els\u0151 papokat tal\u00e1ljuk \u2014 kannibalizmust gyakorolt: vagyis egyszer\u0171en megett\u00e9k a csoport befoly\u00e1solhat\u00f3bb, gyeng\u00e9bb tagjait, \u00edgy a megn\u00f6vekedett \u00e9lelem a megfogyatkozott sz\u00e1m\u00fa t\u00f6rzstagok sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra nagyobb es\u00e9lyt biztos\u00edtott arra, hogy meg\u00e9lj\u00e9k a kev\u00e9sb\u00e9 sanyar\u00fa id\u0151ket. Az\u00e9rt alakultak ki a k\u00e9s\u0151bbiekben a vall\u00e1sok, mert az emberek m\u00e1r nem voltak hajland\u00f3k sz\u00f3 n\u00e9lk\u00fcl elt\u0171rni, hogy megegy\u00e9k \u0151ket. E gondolatmenetet kiterjesztve az emberev\u00e9s ut\u00e1ni id\u0151kre, Adorno \u00e9s Horkheimer a m\u00edtoszok, a vall\u00e1s, az emberi t\u00e1rsadalom t\u00f6rt\u00e9net\u00e9t az elnyom\u00e1s t\u00f6rt\u00e9nelmek\u00e9nt \u00edrja meg.<\/p>\n<p class=\"kerdes\">Miel\u0151tt elkezdtem olvasni a <span class=\"normal\">Felvil\u00e1gosod\u00e1s dialektik\u00e1j\u00e1<\/span>t, sosem gondoltam volna, hogy l\u00e9tezik az \u00d6n\u00e9n\u00e9l is brut\u00e1lisabb elm\u00e9let, viszont ez a k\u00f6nyv kiverte n\u00e1lam a biztos\u00edt\u00e9kot. Mondhatn\u00e1nk, ehhez az elm\u00e9lethez k\u00e9pest az \u00d6n\u00e9 egy idealisztikus, \u00e9s hogy mondjam, romantikus filoz\u00f3fia\u2026<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"nev-int-r\">HN:<\/span> Romantika\u2026 Mi is az a romantika\u2026 Az \u00e1ldozat sosem volt mentes a probl\u00e9m\u00e1kt\u00f3l. Gondoljon csak a Bibli\u00e1ban \u00c1brah\u00e1m t\u00f6rt\u00e9net\u00e9re. De engem egy\u00e1ltal\u00e1n nem \u00e9rdekelnek a frankfurti iskol\u00e1\u00e9hoz hasonl\u00f3 elm\u00e9letek. \u00c9s most nem is azt mondom, hogy a zsid\u00f3 filoz\u00f3fi\u00e1val van bajom, hiszen \u00e9n is a zsid\u00f3 kult\u00far\u00e1b\u00f3l alkottam meg az eny\u00e9met, \u00e9s akikt\u0151l a legt\u00f6bbet tanultam, az Sch\u00f6nberg, Mahler, Freud \u00e9s \u00edgy tov\u00e1bb\u2026 De a zsid\u00f3s\u00e1g probl\u00e9m\u00e1ja a t\u00e1rsadalom probl\u00e9m\u00e1ja, neki kell ezzel d\u0171l\u0151re jutnia. Viszont engem nem \u00e9rdekel. Engem az \u00e9rdekel, hogy behatoljak a val\u00f3s\u00e1g test\u00e9be.<\/p>\n<p>Az eg\u00e9sz irodalom \u00e9s t\u00f6rt\u00e9nelem tele van v\u00e9rrel \u00e9s zsigerekkel: Hom\u00e9rosz, az \u00d3- \u00e9s az \u00dajtestamentum vagy \u00e9ppen Kafka. Nekem \u00f3ri\u00e1si izgalmat jelent l\u00e1tni a v\u00e9rt \u00e9s a testeket. Barcelon\u00e1ban is a halpiacot szeretem a legjobban, \u00e9rzem a hal\u00e1l \u00e9s az \u00e9let minden\u00fctt jelenval\u00f3s\u00e1g\u00e1t, a halak tetemeit, a tenger gy\u00fcm\u00f6lcseit, az evol\u00faci\u00f3, az \u00e9let gigantikus kavarg\u00e1s\u00e1t, \u00e9s ez foglalkoztat engem a sz\u00ednh\u00e1zamban is. Ami pedig a romantik\u00e1t illeti, nagy csod\u00e1l\u00f3ja vagyok a romantik\u00e1nak. Novalis, a k\u00e9s\u0151romantikus Wagner, Mahler, Richard Strauss\u2026 mi\u00e9rt is ne? A frankfurti iskola racionalizmusa pedig hi\u00e1ba ad egyfajta magyar\u00e1zatot, nem sz\u00e1mol, csak az ember egyik r\u00e9sz\u00e9vel: n\u00e9h\u00e1ny gondolkod\u00e1sbeli folyamatra f\u00f3kusz\u00e1l, viszont nem vesz tudom\u00e1st a teljes emberi testr\u0151l. De nekem a term\u00e9szet csoda. Igen, mondhatom b\u00e1tran, hogy egy romantikus csoda, egy nagyszer\u0171 dolog. Nem igaz\u00e1n hiszek a tudom\u00e1nyokban sem. 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